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Thanks fellas, those a are a bit of a challenge to make, I'll try to explain how they are made.

Mike, yes you zero'd in on the most difficult part - those joints.. It takes some careful layout and attention, but they are definitely doable.

First to square up on the terminology, the two verticals are called stiles and the two horizontal pieces (curved in this case) are the rails.

First step, make a pattern from hardboard that fits the radius inside and out. Put an arrow on the pattern that points toward the keel or centerline of the hull. Make it 2 inches longer than the intended length of the rail. This dimension can be determined by measuring the door opening and subtracting the width of each stile. As mentioned add an inch to each end, this is needed for laying out the joints. This will be the pattern for the upper and lower rail, so make sure it fits nice, sand it in until it mirrors smoothly.

The two curved rails are band-sawed from 2" thick white oak, these are totally unsupported, so they can warp if not made without tension. Laminated; Pieces tend to relax when pulled off the jig, as wood has a memory. Steam bent; again the wood has a memory. Sawing the wood in state is best route to keep it from moving later on, from bouts of humidity and heat. Try to find some grain in the plank, that already has some curvature. trace your pattern, and remember to mark one top and one bottom with the arrow on each. Saw them out and drum sand them smooth, check them to the opening near where they will go left and right, use the best one for top. Also, make sure the thickness is observed, it must be to make the internal dado come out correctly.

Next, make the stiles. Which are just full 1" X 3". Cut a 1/2" dado on the inner side full length, 1/2" deep on center for the tongue and groove. Also, due to the angle at the jamb, the latching side of the stile must be cut at 22 degrees to provide clearance for the swing. The jambs are cut to parallel the angle to mate. If the doors and jamb have a 90 degree edge, they won't open. The hinge side can be 90 degrees. On this, I cut both side at 22 degrees as I did not know which would be best to swing from. The whole wheelhouse is built at an 88 degree angle back to the water line and wheelhouse floor. Back to making the stiles, They need a notch at each end to accept the end of the rail. Just measure in on each end 2" (the width of the rail) and mark. USe a protractor on 45 degrees, mark the mitre. Then notch out 1/2" deep in the bandsaw. Now, clean these up with good sharp files, establishing one half the joint, nice square and clean, now we only need to fit the rails to them.

Now back to the curved rails. Determine which side need the dado. Some scrap from the 2" plank with the same curve can be used to clamp each rail to the bench, as it will have the radius one side, and straight the other side. Now C-clamp a flat bar , perhaps a machine parallel to the base of your trim router, making a fence. Use a 1/2" bit and take light passes increasing depth until the dado is 1/2" deep. Like 1/16" per pass. Go in a direction (Right to left)where the cutter rotation will hold the work to the fence, only go in that direction, start from one end, go to the other and exit. When the dados are 1/2" deep on both, they are ready to fit.

With 4 C-clamps plus rails and stiles, go to the opening. Use some thin wedges to secure the stiles in place fore and aft. Now using the C-clamps, set the rails in place, lapped at the corners and secure. Now, once they are where they go, it's time to mark out how they will fit to the stiles. with a good sharp pencil mark it out from the back side. Leave everything as is and use a good scale or tape measure, and get a good measurement across from one stile to the other, at the innermost corner of the pocket to innermost corner of pocket. Record the measurement right on the rail.

Now, remove the clamps, get the two rails. Okay, you have layout lines which depict the angle and mitre, unfortunately, the rail would be too short if cut on those lines, so they must be transferred to the other side of the rail. Using a square over the edge transfer across. Using a protractor, copy the angle and scribe it on the other side. Now, the pocket to pocket dimension recorded earlier is needed. Adjust the placement of each new layout line that was transferred from the back, make sure the distance is that of the dimension that was recorded on the rail. This is hard to explain. Once the last set of layout lines is drawn it is ready to cut. Saw it a bit proud in the band saw and the use the sander to rough fit. Both rails are fitted the exact same way.

Then use long screws at the corner to secure.

Try in the opening, it will undoubtedly need some final fitting, simply remove the screws and with sanding blocks and files, remove small amounts in the joints where needed. It doesn't take much to square up, or remove a twist.

Then of course they are filled with tongue and groove or some sort of filler.

These take a bit of patience and practice, but they are not really all that difficult, or as difficult as my explanation would suggest :)

-Ron
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I went for a spin on the "Master" and when I was down in the engine room I could clearly listen to the conversations going on in the wheelhouse.The funnel system works very well! Also they used a series of bells to comunicate. I have a bell system in my boat with a list of bells posted at the wheel but none at the engine!! :roll: So I've never quite figured out what all the dinging is about!!! It's on my TO-DO list!!
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Ron,
THIS is the sort of thing that I joined this forum for. I have printed this out. I will sit down with the pictures and think about it a lot. Probably I will opt for a pilot house resembling a chicken house rather than deal with this. My head is starting to feel a bit like it did on my first day of Algebra 3!!!
Thank You!

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Getting the tug ready for another season, hopefully will get an earlier start than last year.

The engine is out and I'm installing the flywheel and mounting an alternator to keep the battery charged. It is a Denso 12 volt "single-wire" supposedly, although on the bench wired in that way, it wasn't putting out anything. I think it will need a ballast resistor to control the field. This alternator is very small and is used on Toyota forklifts and Kubota tractors. It is supposed to be 65 amp, but at the RPM's it will see here, I will be happy to get 10 amps. The bracketry will make it possible to engage/disengage under way.

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Some more of the interior finished. It will be nice to have some stowage this year.

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And too, Mounted two 10 gallon tanks, one for fresh water and the other is for gray water collection - it has it's own pump to empty itself. The freshwater tank has a shurflo pressure on demand pump. Mounting a small sink next to the boiler, it will have hot and cold running water. Hot water will be produced by a few wraps of copper on the outside of the inner funnel.

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I had a problem with a one wire alternator on a boat. Wouldn't charge at an idle until I had revved the engine up once. I went to an old automotive alternator shop and the guy wired in a very small carbon resistor internally and from then on, no problem. Something about keeping an internal capacitor charged up between uses.

Also, when bench testing, you need to have a battery hooked up. A volt meter isn't enough to make it work.
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Mike, That is how our forklift is right now, someone converted it to a GM alternator, and only connected the BAT term to the battery, it needs to be fixed. I have set up a few of these over the years and luckily one of them was the Chris Craft, which is still around. I need to go out to the garage and look at it. If memory serves me correct, BAT is connected to a wire going to the battery +, Term 2 is just connected to the BAT term and there is another wire from Term 2 to a Chrysler old style ballast resistor (60' 70's cars, it mounted on the firewall) and Term1 connects to the other end of the resistor. That works flawlessly, charges very well at an idle.

When I bench tested this one, it was connected to a battery, but didn't get anything out of it.

While the engine is out, I think I'm going to replace the feedpump with a Hypro dual piston pressure washer pump, chain driven. Don't want to mess with the water hammer issue again this year. My buddy has one on his AVL compound and it is smooth running.

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A word of caution concerning the hypro pumps; make sure the intake has a filter on it as the hypro pumps are VERY sensitive to debris. I remember several steamboat meets where boats would sit most of the weekend due to hypro pump issues.
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That's just what happened to my alternator. It had been stored without being connected to a battery for a long time and a capacitor had discharged. Since the guy added that internal resistor, it has run reliably for years. I have on on my Model A Ford too.

I would take it to a repair place (not an auto parts store!). They will put it on a tester, duplicate your problem and fix it. You will like it once you get it sorted out. I don't use conventional alternators any more for simple applications like this.
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Wes,

I was wondering about that as all the check valves appear to be internal, would make them difficult to service more than likely. I'll guess I'll just stay with the pump that's on it. In it's defense, there isn't much of a shock arrestor on it now. I am going to go ahead and mount the sprocket to drive it behind the flywheel. That was a bear getting that shaft coupler off yesterday, don't want to go through that again. Tight fit and a little moisture between, took the acetylene torch and a puller to get it off.

Mike, That makes sense, something discharging, our forklift we have to bring it up to about 2000 RPM and then it starts charging and it continues to charge for the rest of the time it's running. On restart, same deal again. There is an Starter/Alternator shop somewhere around here. I'll take it over there.

There are three 12 volt pumps, 7 inch spotlight on the wheelhouse, so after a few days use, I can see the battery getting low.

Thanks, Ron
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Fel-Pro C-5A, use it for every joint of metal and you'll never have trouble with disassembly again. 20 years working on rusty ships taught me that.
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